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ABIA STATE GOVERNOR, CHIEF THEODORE ORJI, IN THIS INTERVIEW WITH
JOURNALISTS IN UMUAHIA RECENTLY, SPEAKS ON THE RECENT CONSTITUTION OF A
COMMITTEE ON THE NATIONAL DIALOGUE BY PRESIDENT GOODLUCK JONATHAN, THE
CRISIS IN THE PEOPLES DEMOCRATIC PARTY AMONG OTHER ISSUES. CHARLES
AJUNWA, PRESENTS THE EXCERPTS…
Just few days ago, Nigerians celebrated the country’s 53rd independence anniversary. What is your assessment of Nigeria?
So far so good, it can’t be worse. You can’t compare Nigeria of 2013 with the Nigeria of 1959, 1960 or 1961. Improvements and developments have taken place and democracy is moving on. I don’t believe that we are not making any progress; we are making progress. If we have lasted in democracy from 1999 till now without any military intervention or incursion into government, it shows that we are improving.
Before 1999, it was a question of civilians coming for two years and
the military coming back and staying for several years; at least that
aspect shows that we have some improvement and people are coming to
appreciate the essence of democracy as one of the best forms of
government. So we are moving and as far as Nigerians will be patient
enough and participate in the democracy to grow it, we will be very good
in the future.
There are so much grumblings in the land and many people are saying
because of the state of the nation, there should be no need for any
celebration this year, what is your view on this?
Countries and nations have their peculiar problems, we know that advancement brings also complex criminality. For instance, we didn’t know about kidnapping before but it was present in other nations eventually it surfaced in our nation. It came as a result of advancement in technology, yes of course poverty may be there but advancement in technology is part and parcel of what brought about kidnapping in this part of the world. Now, there is the other one you call Boko Haram, which has gone to the extent that no person should appreciate at all.
They know their reasons for doing what they do and we know why it is
being done but the killings that are coming up from the Boko Haram is
what should be condemned because God condemns bloodletting or taking the
life which you did not create. If any person in Nigeria has any problem
whether that of leadership or economic, there are many ways of venting
the annoyance. There are many ways of showing it and there are many ways
of tackling it, but it is not definitely by killing people. After
killing the people who will stay behind to do the reform? So, we should
condemn the killings that are going on in some parts of Nigeria, the
bloodletting that is going on should be condemned entirely.
President Goodluck Jonathan has just announced the constitution of a committee on national dialogue, what is your take on this?
My take on it is that the President’s attitude showed that he is a democrat. You know this has been the yearning of Nigerians, for us to discuss, some Nigerians have been calling for a dialogue and such calls have persisted. The attribute of a good leader is to listen to the people who gave you the mandate. The people are saying that we should discuss to know the problems of Nigeria and how to go about it and the President has said, ‘yes, it is proper to discuss,’ I support him because it is proper to discuss.
First and foremost, is that this discuss will at least engage people.
There are people who are not doing anything, everyday, they stay in
their houses and bring up ideas; positive and negative ideas but when
you bring them together and they start discussing, you have engaged
them. They are positively busy and eventually they are going to bring
out ideas that will eventually be considered. Those ones that are good
for Nigerians will be incorporated. So that it is a good idea, and I
support the President that there should be dialogue, let us discuss
because everything ends on the discussion table whether it is war or
family quarrel, everything ends on discussion table where the people
agree on how to go about the situation.
One of the arguments that arose shortly after the President’s broadcast
was that we have had several conferences in the past yet none of them
has been implemented. Secondly, what is the Southeast going to take to
the conference?
Well, people must always criticise. When they say that we have had discussions before and that such conferences have come and gone but that nothing came out of them, were those conferences under President Jonathan’s administration? They weren’t under him, this is a new leadership under President Goodluck Jonathan that is instituting this conference, and from experience, if nothing had come out of the previous conferences, I am sure that he will make sure that the outcome of this conference will be implemented. I am sure he will do that.
When the conference is on, the Southeast will also articulate its own
problems. We have our problems and challenges, so we are going to bring
people together, they will make inputs and such inputs will be taken to
the conference. One thing that we have been agitating for all these
years is that there must be parity in terms of state creation. That is
one of the things that concerns us right now because others cannot be
having six or seven states and the Southeast will only have five. We
have been consistent on that and that is the first thing that we are
going to lay on the agenda. I am sure that we will demand that more
states should be given to us that is the number one before we start to
talk on other things.
Will Jonathan run in 2015 or will the North take over? One Igbo leader
was quoted as saying that whether it is an abomination for an Igbo man
to sleep in the Aso Rock?
There is no written document at all. You and I know how the president emerges. The Igbo can go and contest, but before you go into that contest, you have to make sure that you will win. It is not just going to the contest to try your luck; you have to make sure that you will win. The argument that we have not been in Aso Rock and it is the turn of Igbo man to go to Aso Rock but the man alone cannot take himself to Aso Rock; people will help him to go there.
Therefore, you have to get the consensus of others to go there. The
North, South and West for you to make it because the whole thing is
based on population; it is a game of numbers. So when an Igbo man says
that he wants to be the president, he has to look at the appropriate
time to pursue it and once you go you get it but not at the
inappropriate time because you cannot make it, you don’t have the
population. If you don’t have the population and the time is not ripe,
you cannot make it, even if you don’t have the population but the time
is propitious, you can make it because others will come to your aid and
say, ‘you have not gone there before, this is your turn go there and
taste it.’
What do you think of the activities of the New PDP, especially their
conditions for peace, which is that President Goodluck Jonathan should
not run in 2015?
The point is that there is nothing like New PDP, we have one PDP. If you go to the Independent National Electoral Commission’s office, you see that the party that is there is the PDP. There is no old PDP or new PDP. What you have to bear in mind is that we have only one PDP. What is happening in the party now is not peculiar to the PDP, it has happened to other parties and it will continue to happen to other parties also.
That people are not happy with what is happening in the party and they
now want to cause small confusion in order to be heard, but the PDP has
the capacity to solve the problem that is my confidence that all those
things will come and go. But let them come out openly and say the reason
they are doing this and the party will be in the position to address
those problems and placate everybody but as far as we are concerned, we
have one PDP.
When you have stayed so long in a system, you have the right to say
your mind but it will boil down to the fact that if you continue to try
and try and then you discover that you are no longer comfortable with
where you are then you find a new ground. You can go somewhere and try
your luck but those who are comfortable will continue to stay.
Let’s zero down to Abia State, what are the areas that give you joy as we celebrate Nigeria’s independence anniversary?
When I look back at what we have covered, I feel very happy. The first thing is that we now have peace and security in Abia State that makes me happy. Another thing is that if you talk about unity of purpose and in politics, Abia should rank either first or second in the entire federation.
The fact that this government is able to bring all Abians to the
mainstream of politics and they are happy that they are there is a big
achievement. Have you heard of the new PDP in Abia? You can’t hear it
because who-is-who in Abia politics is in PDP and we have one common
goal, which is to move Abia to the next level but it wasn’t like this
before. Previously, Abia was polarised, most Abians in Lagos were not
coming home, the same was applicable to those in Abuja, but today,
during any function in Abia State, you see them coming because they are
happy with what the government in power is doing.
That is another major achievement, which people may tend to overlook.
That is another major achievement, which people may tend to overlook.
Before now, Abia had no voice at the federal level as a result of that
we were denied a lot of things; there was no development and nothing was
coming to Abia but today, no person will say that Abia is denied
anything that is being given to other states because we have a voice in
Abuja. Not only the single voice of the governor, but a corporate voice
of the people, so it gives me joy.
Your commissioner has given us the analysis of the ongoing
transformation in Aba, what are you hoping to gain by repositioning the
city?
There are many things to gain. You know Aba very well, that it is a commercial hub not only of Abia or the Southeast, but Nigeria in general. However, because of certain things that have happened in the past, the city seemed to be neglected for a very long time. The kidnapping saga made entrepreneurs run away and that pulled us back. The contractors and developmental partners that would have come during that period stayed away, so it dragged us back for sometime.
We want to ensure that goods that are made in Aba are recognised. That
is how Japan started. In those days, people were deriding the spoons and
forks that were made in Japan, but today people are struggling to have
Japanese goods in their homes. There is no home that you don’t see any
Japanese item.
What is the vision behind the relocation of Umuahia Central Market?
The vision is to first and foremost expand Umuahia. At times when people come to Umuahia and end up with the market and railway lines, they go away with the bad impression of Umuahia not knowing that development is happening at the periphery of the town. You should know the history of how this market started; the first market that the colonialists established was the Garki, where the northerners offloaded their cows from where the cows are distributed to Port Harcourt and other areas. Umuahia used to be the centre for cows.
This market at the centre was for palm produce because we have the rail
line, but when the colonial masters saw that having a market at the
centre of the town would hinder expansion, they started thinking of how
to move away the market since 1935, it is historical, since that date
till now, no person has done it.
When we move this market you will appreciate the beauty of this town.
The town will look more as a state capital than being a local government
capital because we are going to make sure that the place is cleaned up
and we will put in place a structure that will befit the town. Secondly,
another town is going to be developed in Ubani, it is now developing
because currently we have about 500 houses on ground in that place, so
these houses will be occupied by people. We have schools, hospitals and
other facilities there.
